Polish authorities commented that migrants are not at risk in Belarus. They came there to be respectful, so they can be legally sent back.

Pushback on Belarus is a violation of the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees. I cannot comment on the situation in Belarus. I don’t know what is happening to these people in this country, but pushback is against the law.

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You mentioned a reaction. The European Union, usually active in investigating infringements of the law in Poland, this time took water in the service.

Yes. What is happening in Poland is a global problem. Trials by France, France on Lesvos in Calais, or in Italian Siberia. There are many opportunities to create humanitarian crises for your application. We write a global phenomenon of breaking the law of the law. Everyone is guilty, therefore there is no reaction.

So can we freely say that we still have a certain state user system that was provided by the state, if governments don’t care about it?

We cannot get international law to stop just because it is broken. Nobody will have to rely on three principles. People just ignore them. The law is still there and should be, according to which we judge the actions of states. These violations are an alarm to us and are best for the entire trading system.

For the entire system?

Poland and other European countries refer to the fact that only these rules will be collected. The problem is that it’s not true. When the price drop has been achieved, the price drop, the system is weakening that has bought us peace, growth and economic growth in the last 80 years. Within these countries, politics probably don’t think that it may seem the worst. However, when it comes to principles, we are getting more publicized on the basics. Very short-sighted.

Many and not only in Poland, as the opposite itself – it is a thorough technological process that has a quick sight. They say that if we start doing it, we will only deepen the crisis for the sake of more people.

Principles of operation for 80 years. Apart from Yugoslavia, you have never had the voice of a period of peace in our continent. Thanks to these solutions, unprecedented economic growth. You cannot choose one rule and write: we ignore it, remember that we follow it. Poland did not even do this, while attacking the European legal system. If we reject you, will you go back to the state we were in in the 1930s or the 1989 generation? If the latter, you must opt ​​for the practice of the rules.

Many people can say goodbye – farewell, on the right, after lighting, even old democracies, such as France, do not you respect?

There is something about it. The problem with Western Europe is similar – these countries think they can break the rules on aid and the movement of others. Politics in Poland additionally thinks about the values ​​of the European Union on their own. I’m looking for who he wants. The final result of the process to inhibit the bases. Where will it lead us to? Until the war, or even worse – the Holocaust.

The Poles rightly notice that the French do not flee and lose Britain’s rights. But that doesn’t mean the law is wrong, just that there are more shortsighted idiots in the world who prefer to pump fear than the cheapest export discussion.

The crisis on the Polish border is special because there are Belarusians on its side, who fail to even follow the rules it talks about. As the head of a large organization, do you have any idea how to influence the Belarusian dictatorship?

The current response to the crisis is really the tactics of Lukashenka and Putin. We play on their rules. If Poland had requests from foreigners, as it committed itself to, I think the weakening of Lukashenka’s power. However, we do it in a different way: we create our values, and this is what they want to show – that we follow their authoritarian values. That we put national security over the enterprise of the individual. We act like them.

What exactly is Amnesty International doing to deal with this crisis?

People from the Polish branch of our party organization on the border. They monitor the situation, reports. The entire Amnesty International movement came to this ad, which is why I am here in Poland. We operate at the product level. We work with other organizations in the field. To show that there is a different narrative to the one presented by and exert political pressure as much as we can.

What’s a piece of the community looking like so far? We know that the European Union sees no problem, but what about other organizations such as the United Nations?

Like I said, take a UN agency to go to the border and operate on the ground. We work with them. Although it is true that this issue has so far been seen more as a European rather than a global problem.

There are no machines that the leader of the international vineyards is the lady who introduced new products in Poland, impresses them because they have already seen a lot – in Greece, Italy, Bosnia, Croatia, the United States?

Perhaps these leaders are rather distressed about it, but it is on the subject of their side. They actually move from one to the next, but they really always did. We have no other choice. Therefore, what can be related to the activity.

So what will happen now will be the first step that becomes necessary?

Open the state of emergency to humanitarian organizations. The actual queue governing the queue that can select the queue that can enter who you are and whether you want to have a choice, or you can go. Specialists, as I understand it, a significant proportion of these people come to Minsk by air. Something has to be done about this through international action.

What about ordinary people who want to help here and now those who die on the verge of hunger and cold? What should you be doing?

First of all, nothing on your own. Join a group, association or create your own. Take the group to the destination. Demonstrate in your own locality. Show that you care about your values, that you see people with their weaknesses, that you can help them with their needs in the spirit of humanitarianism.

Are you, how will I surprise the Polish government?

Not. I can see it going on in years, I can see things going on in other countries. So no, I’m not surprised.

Many voices say that we are only just starting a growing branch in the world. Now that more and more people will be replaced, countries will flee.

I agree with it. To hold on to it, to tune in to hold on. Meanwhile, Poland does not fulfill its role also in this matter. Do not charge complains about the electricity collected and charged electrically, not charged by you. Not only short-sighted, but simply stupid. Second, the master champion is the redistribution champion in the world. In order to solve the problem that will be introduced the way it will be introduced.

And I co-existed the same effective way?

I can’t answer everything. There are many economists who pay for work and are ready. economic responses like a better system development that is not based on resource exploitation. For the repair of political policy, to do something at will.

The last thing – you are in Poland on a two-day visit. Are you going to the border?

Unfortunately, I can not. I wanted to, but it turned out that it would be too difficult this time.

What about talks with Polish politicians? Are you dating a niche?

I wanted to, but as it turned out, they weren’t so interested. They don’t feel like getting involved in relationships with the greatest citizens.

Agnes Callamard is a French human rights expert. Currently, there is the position of the general international humanitarian organization Amnesty International. Previously, she was an introduction by the UN Human Rights Council to extrajudicial, group and arbitrary executions.